MOTD Revamp

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  1. Feldma

    Feldma Professional Zapper Shot Misser Donator

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    I'm pretty sure it was/is 20hp. However increasing it to 30 does make sense.

    Though, the impair command needs to be fixed (if it isn't already) so that you can't heal back up to 100hp.
     
  2. SleepySirenMitsu

    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    No Derogatory/Abusive comments/jokes ever. (eg: Ni****/Fa****, Downy, etc. No variations. No exceptions.)
    No Genocide/Terrorist jokes ever. (Holocaust, 9/11, Shootings. etc.)
    You will be punished if you purposely spoil a relatively recent show/movie for anyone.

    It takes out the nazi references but makes it clear what isn't allowed..though I would still prefer people not go around with Swastikas.

    (Slight modifications, no changes saved yet)
     
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  3. tac45original

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    Thank you - I think it's a step in the right direction, and we could always decide to punish based on overly mingey actions rather than a blanket ban for an offhand Nazi reference that may be made (Attitudes towards Admins could be expressed more nicely however).

    I'll refer back to the MOTD but is the Terrorist rule a new addition? I don't recall it being there, although if it was I don't believe it was ever very stringently enforced. Seeing as the gamemode is technically (and loosely) based around terrorists, would this be something that would be enforced around more mingey players rather than a joke relating to terrorism?

    Although I still express some different personal opinions, I think that the language rules can still remain in place with some less strict punishments, and the MOTD modification you have posted I think makes it more attractive to new players with less clutter.

    Great to hear Mitsu - I look forward to seeing the final draft!
     
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    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    More-so I just don't want any jokes about real acts of terrorism like ISIS or school shootings and such..but I'm not sure how to tweak it exactly to reflect that.

    I guess maybe no jokes about mass acts of violence? We've gotten more than a few people joining with names referencing things like school shooters, bombings, vehicles being driven into crowds, things like that.
     
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  5. tac45original

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    I think that something like this could work, but perhaps there could be some leniency towards this depending on what it is being discussed? Seeing as ISIS and the general topic of terrorism are widely discussed today (despite being an inappropriate situation to discuss it on the server).

    People with names joining like that may be minges or not, I think that it could draw more attention to them if it was banned, although that's just my honest opinion. Rule could be alright just as long as it isn't too tightly enforced.
     
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    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    I don't usually ban them, but I do ask that they change their names and if they don't listen I'll generally kick them. And again this comes back to a TTT server not really being a public place of discussion for things like that. PMs are one thing but an active discussion in vc or text chat kind of takes away from the game.

    There could be some leniency in regards to an offhand comment or so but in general I would probably ask that the discussion be moved elsewhere.
     
  7. tac45original

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    I think that could work well enough, as long as it isn't excessive (as in kicking/banning groups of people for any controversial names).

    On to a point of clarification though, I would want to ask whether discussion of certain things in PM is acceptable or not - excluding metagaming. In the past, I believe that it was once decided that discussing certain topics banned by the rules could be acceptable (although discouraged) providing that it is done in PMs only, although I think current policy bans any forbidden words/topics, including in PM. Could we please get clarification on this?
     
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    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    I would ask that anything abusive/derogatory be kept out of PMs, like no-one insulting anyone behind their backs. If you're discussing an incident or some such in PMs, please make sure it's clear you're not using the terms against someone and so on.
     
  9. Feldma

    Feldma Professional Zapper Shot Misser Donator

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    As promised, a condensed version of my uncondensed redraft of the MOTD: click here.

    Please note that the formatting has been destroyed as I copy/pasted it into Google Docs. It actually looks a lot nicer.


    Things in red are things that need to be changed, there's a few other things that are poorly worded, but the general gist of it is there.
    (Also I haven't taken into account most of the discussion here, this was just a condensation of my redraft which will hopefully serve as a starting point for redoing the MOTD.)

    EDIT: It's also 900 words, which is ~200 words shorter than the current MOTD and a lot less then my previous draft.
     
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  10. SleepySirenMitsu

    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    Have so far rewritten the first section of the motd, will post it here after the admins give their opinions. Thank you to everyone who has contributed so far.
     
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    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    Have now rewritten the MOTD entirely. Without including the intro and outro it has been cut down to 740 words.
     
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    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    <p><b id="stream">Please do NOT stream or publically upload videos from this server. Recording people without consent is not okay</b></p>
    <li><b>NO</b> RDM (Killing for No Reason). One slay per RDM Unforgiven. RDM &amp; Leave = 2. Mass RDM = 1 week ban (Multiple RDM in a map or disconnect with 2 slays).</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Derogatory comments/jokes/names ever. (eg: Ni****/Fa****, Downy, etc. No variations. No exceptions.).</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Jokes/Names about mass acts of violence (Holocaust, 9/11, etc.)</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Minging/Player Abuse - Joining with the intent to ruin the game for others = Up to 1 month ban based on situation.</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Spam (Mic or Chat). Warning then gag/mute/kick. Multiple offenses = Perm Gag. (Includes singing/soundboards/voice mods and playing audio)</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Meta-Gaming/Ghosting. (Sharing info that a player would normally not have) = 1 Month Ban. 2nd offense = Perm Ban.</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> False Reports - Reports for no reason - May result in slay.</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Reports/Responses filled with abuse/nonsense. Clearly explain or it may result in a slay.</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Prop Killing/Barricading.(eg: Drop props down ladders, hit players, block rooms/doors) (Alive or Spectator). Prop killing is only allowed as T.</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Activating explosive devices near players when innocent eg: Blowing up barrels/turtles/incens without warning.</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Killing players for standing still or "looking sus". (Don't Assume)</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Killing/Susing a player based on sounds, skins, locations, or weapons. (Need solid proof. No KoS without a reason please)</li>
    <li><b>NO</b> Calling pre-round KoS. May cause RDM, even if you cancel.</li>
    <li><b>ANY</b> Hacking/Cheating = Perm Ban.</li>
    <li>Names must be legible and able to be called out. (You will be kicked if you don't listen when asked).</li>
    <li>You <b>will</b> be punished if you purposely spoil a relatively recent show/movie for everyone (2-4 weeks depending on situation)</li>
    <li>To cancel a KoS, please say "Cancel" over voice clearly or type it into chat. Quick bind of "No" will not count.</li>
    <li><span class="trait">Traitors</span> must go to <span class="innocent">innocents</span>, delaying will cause you to be slain. <span class="innocent">Innocents</span> cannot delay unless camping in <span class="detective">detective</span> only room.</li>
    <li><b>Most of our rules are just common sense, please follow them and listen to the staff.(Owners/Community Managers have final say)</b></li>
    <br />
    <li>In short, everyone is here to have fun so please don't be an asscandle =)</li>
    <br />
    <i>Questions/Concerns about the rules? Please use @ on the server or PM staff directly on the forums.</i>

    </ol>

    <h2>Allowed:</h2>
    <ul>
    <li>Relaying/Repeating a legit 'Kill On Sight' called by another player.</li>
    <li>Prop surfing to normally reachable areas.</li>
    <li>Calling a 'Kill On Sight' but only with solid proof.</li>
    <li>Reporting players that you believe RDM'd or ARDM'd you.</li>
    <li>Reporting an <span class="innocent">Innocent</span> for false KoS.</li>
    <li>Killing 'Away from Keyboard' players as a <span class="trait">Traitor</span>.</li>
    <li>Killing "AFK" players as an <span class="innocent">Innocent</span> <b>only</b> during <b>OVERTIME</b>.</li>
    <li>Killing players with a legit High Sus during <b>OVERTIME.</b></li>
    <li>Killing players who have purposely destroyed/discarded testers.</li>
    <li>Killing players who falsely claim to be proven.</li>
    <li>Killing unproven players who have not claimed their T weapon.</li>
    <li>Killing players who have directly called themselves <span class="trait">Traitor</span>.</li>
    <li>High Susing a player based on Neurotoxin Markers (Do <b>NOT</b> kill them).</li>
    <li>High Susing a player who has refused testing/or discarded DNA/refused to shoot G3 (Do <b>NOT</b> kill them).</li>
    <li>High Susing a player who is following you after 3 warnings.(Do <b>NOT</b> kill them).</li>
    <li>If the <span class="detective">Detective</span> shoots a player it is an active KoS.</li>


    </ul>

    <h2>Not Allowed:</h2>
    <ul>
    <li>Calling life check or KOS (Even as <span class="detective">Detective</span>).</li>
    <li>Charging the axe as an <span class="innocent">Innocent</span> on the map ttt_rooftops_a2_f1.</li>
    <li>Throwing Discoms near edges around people without warning as an <span class="innocent">Innocent</span>.</li>
    <li>Blocking Doors/Barricading rooms- Includes door spamming. (Players may give you 3 Warnings, 5 seconds apart, then kill you if it continues).</li>
    <li>Claiming rooms as any role.</li>
    <li>Making yourself seem like a <span class="trait">Traitor</span> whilst you are innocent.(T Baiting. eg: Shooting at people).</li>
    <li>Purposely prolonging or delaying a round. Will result in slay after 3 warnings.</li>
    <li>Damaging a player with a Crowbar/Prop <span class="innocent">Innocent</span> (Under 30 = impair. Over 30 = slay).</li>
    <li>Letting Innocents into the T room as a <span class="trait">Traitor</span>. It ruins the game for others and it's a dick move.</li>
    <li>Killing a player without letting them ID the body (Please give them a chance after a fight).</li>
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    <li> If you call a KoS on an <span class="innocent">Innocent</span> or damage a player for any amount it may get you <b>killed</b>.(Shooting/Props/Explosives) Please keep this in mind.</li>
    <br />
    <i>These actions may result in being killed or slain depending on the situation</i>


    </ul>

    (Including into and outro it equals around 882 as opposed to the 1,186 it was before. This does include characters <b>,<li>, etc)

    Please give your feedback and a final draft will be posted then implemented by the 16th.

    Thank you all.
     
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  13. Feldma

    Feldma Professional Zapper Shot Misser Donator

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    This is the same thing Mitsu posted but without formatting tags:

    Please do NOT stream or publically upload videos from this server. Recording people without consent is not okay
    NO RDM (Killing for No Reason). One slay per RDM Unforgiven. RDM &amp; Leave = 2. Mass RDM = 1 week ban (Multiple RDM in a map or disconnect with 2 slays).
    NO Derogatory comments/jokes/names ever. (eg: Ni****/Fa****, Downy, etc. No variations. No exceptions.).
    NO Jokes/Names about mass acts of violence (Holocaust, 9/11, etc.)
    NO Minging/Player Abuse - Joining with the intent to ruin the game for others = Up to 1 month ban based on situation.
    NO Spam (Mic or Chat). Warning then gag/mute/kick. Multiple offenses = Perm Gag. (Includes singing/soundboards/voice mods and playing audio)
    NO Meta-Gaming/Ghosting. (Sharing info that a player would normally not have) = 1 Month Ban. 2nd offense = Perm Ban.
    NO False Reports - Reports for no reason - May result in slay.
    NO Reports/Responses filled with abuse/nonsense. Clearly explain or it may result in a slay.
    NO Prop Killing/Barricading.(eg: Drop props down ladders, hit players, block rooms/doors) (Alive or Spectator). Prop killing is only allowed as T.
    NO Activating explosive devices near players when innocent eg: Blowing up barrels/turtles/incens without warning.
    NO Killing players for standing still or "looking sus". (Don't Assume)
    NO Killing/Susing a player based on sounds, skins, locations, or weapons. (Need solid proof. No KoS without a reason please)
    NO Calling pre-round KoS. May cause RDM, even if you cancel.
    ANY Hacking/Cheating = Perm Ban.
    Names must be legible and able to be called out. (You will be kicked if you don't listen when asked).
    You will be punished if you purposely spoil a relatively recent show/movie for everyone (2-4 weeks depending on situation)
    To cancel a KoS, please say "Cancel" over voice clearly or type it into chat. Quick bind of "No" will not count.
    Traitors must go to innocents, delaying will cause you to be slain. Innocents cannot delay unless camping in detective only room.
    Most of our rules are just common sense, please follow them and listen to the staff.(Owners/Community Managers have final say)

    In short, everyone is here to have fun so please don't be an asscandle =)

    Questions/Concerns about the rules? Please use @ on the server or PM staff directly on the forums.



    Allowed:

    Relaying/Repeating a legit 'Kill On Sight' called by another player.
    Prop surfing to normally reachable areas.
    Calling a 'Kill On Sight' but only with solid proof.
    Reporting players that you believe RDM'd or ARDM'd you.
    Reporting an Innocent for false KoS.
    Killing 'Away from Keyboard' players as a Traitor.
    Killing "AFK" players as an Innocent only during OVERTIME.
    Killing players with a legit High Sus during OVERTIME.
    Killing players who have purposely destroyed/discarded testers.
    Killing players who falsely claim to be proven.
    Killing unproven players who have not claimed their T weapon.
    Killing players who have directly called themselves Traitor.
    High Susing a player based on Neurotoxin Markers (Do NOT kill them).
    High Susing a player who has refused testing/or discarded DNA/refused to shoot G3 (Do NOT kill them).
    High Susing a player who is following you after 3 warnings.(Do NOT kill them).
    If the Detective shoots a player it is an active KoS.




    Not Allowed:

    Calling life check or KOS (Even as Detective).
    Charging the axe as an Innocent on the map ttt_rooftops_a2_f1.
    Throwing Discoms near edges around people without warning as an Innocent.
    Blocking Doors/Barricading rooms- Includes door spamming. (Players may give you 3 Warnings, 5 seconds apart, then kill you if it continues).
    Claiming rooms as any role.
    Making yourself seem like a Traitor whilst you are innocent.(T Baiting. eg: Shooting at people).
    Purposely prolonging or delaying a round. Will result in slay after 3 warnings.
    Damaging a player with a Crowbar/Prop Innocent (Under 30 = impair. Over 30 = slay).
    Letting Innocents into the T room as a Traitor. It ruins the game for others and it's a dick move.
    Killing a player without letting them ID the body (Please give them a chance after a fight).

    If you call a KoS on an Innocent or damage a player for any amount it may get you killed.(Shooting/Props/Explosives) Please keep this in mind.

    These actions may result in being killed or slain depending on the situation




    (Including into and outro it equals around 882 as opposed to the 1,186 it was before. This does include characters ,, etc)

    Please give your feedback and a final draft will be posted then implemented by the 16th.

    Thank you all.
     
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  14. SleepySirenMitsu

    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    Cheers Feldma, sorry about formatting, tired
     
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    Just some changes I could see being made
    This seems unnecessary, as it mostly ties in the minge and false report rules. Could be removed
    Isn't this just obvious RDM? Don't know if we have to define every situational RDM
    Isn't False KOSing already in the MOTD?
    All these "Do NOT kill them" bracket things don't need to be there. Maybe consider defining KOS, High Sus or Sus e.g:
    Proven: A person who has killed/KOSed/High Sused a Traitor or has been tested by a tester. Do NOT kill them if you are Innocent
    Sus: Limited/no legitimate proof that the player is a Traitor. Other plays should keep an eye on but not engage with Sus players.
    High Sus: When there is not quite enough evidence to immediately kill. Players can kill a High Sused player in Overtime.
    KOS (Kill On Sight): Enough legitimate proof points to one of these players being a Traitor. Kill immediately!
    Some of these things in brackets once again could be omitted as the rule says enough IMO.

    Also what's the standing on if a player's last words on a body are: "Such and Such is suspicious"? Personally I High Sus whoever was Sused by the now dead player as I thought that was in the rules, but after reading it again I appear wrong. Is this possibly something that could be added, or am I wrong for doing this?
     
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    Straight_Bender GLua C0d3r Elite Trusted

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    So, what's happening with common situations (ex. radar OT), is there going to be a thread or?
     
  17. SleepySirenMitsu

    SleepySirenMitsu MiTaSuNeKoNoNoNo Staff Member Owner

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    Making that next priority, just not entirely sure how to make it fair

    As for the brackets I think we have to keep them..because some people who read the MOTD lack common sense and even with the explanations need it spelled out for them not to kill someone. Will post more later, no energy after work
     
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    No offence but i think the reason you're struggling to secure funding / donations for the server is because you're not appealing to the wider Gmod community, thanks in-part by some of the restrictive language rules.

    What I mean by this is that most people would rather play on and return to a server that doesn't restrict what they say to the extent that Arcadia does. Im not saying that you shouldn't enforce the rules when it comes to minges and people who are actually intending what they say to be offensive, rather than in a joking manner - but people are really turned off by the restriction on what they can and cant say.

    I know this from my time spent playing on Poseidon and other servers, where a surprising number of people have said that they dont play on Arcadia because the admin team restricts what they say and they cant joke with their friends, even if its in a lighthearted manner. In the end it all comes down to human nature, that is, people dont like being told what to say because it undermines their own capacity to communicate freely. Again, people who are genuinely offensive or hateful should be punished but otherwise, people who say 'offensive' things in a joking manner should be allowed to do so.

    Arcadia has a lot of good content to offer - probably the best out of all the TTT servers, but in my opinion the language rules need to be laxed to a degree. In my personal experience, when somebody tells you you're not allowed to say something because its 'offensive' to somebody, even though you mean no harm by it - it kills the usually fun mood.

    When i call somebody a retard, Im not directly insulting or intending to degrade mentally handicapped people; thats absurd. Im simply pointing out a silly mistake that they might have made in a joking way. Now I know its going to go back to the argument of "well by calling someone retarded you're associating stupidity with the mentally handicapped" - to which i say, thats a whole load of baloney. I almost guarantee you that theres a silent majority in the community which agrees in part with what i say, or who have questioned these rules to an extent. Its been shown time and time again that people want change to the language rules, so why not listen to what the community wants and make a change.

    All in all, language policing in an online game = bad (this isnt club pengiun, this is arcadia).
     
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    Straight_Bender GLua C0d3r Elite Trusted

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    As this is a common point but I thought no one else was going to comment (I was specifically only looking at tac's and Mitsu's comments as I remembered them discussing, there are lots of people both sides of the fence on this one, I know that), I will say my last piece about language rules. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me - everyone here knows that isn't true, words are powerful. Between friends might seem alright, but then it becomes hard to tell who are friends, who is intending to insult and who is just letting their tongue a lil too loose, its why I've tried for a while now to give prolonged warnings before gagging players when there have been no admins on.

    There are also two other things to note here though, the f word and the n word are banned for obvious reasons, one has historic background, the other a common insult to those who identify as gay. Gay in and of itself is very contextual, hell there is even an ice-cream called `Golden Gaytime`, I'm not saying that you think theses words should be allowed nor disallowed, just pointing out reasons for the p much absolutely no exception words.
    However, (second point) just because something isn't intended as an insult and the person you are targeting isn't offended, that doesn't mean that other people aren't offended by it. My mate who is gay, doesn't often join this server or gmod in general but is very sensitive to those who would casually use words that are used to insult his sexuality whether directed at him or not. InB4 the argument of he's just one person. He's one person I know of personally, there are likely lots of people who join this server because of our intolerance to these words being used, so while there are those who
    There are also likely those who join Arcadia specifically because of the intolerance. (I have heard from a few people the exact opposite of what you said when I was admin - that they join because of how our rules are handled (something along those lines, it's been a while).)
    So, while I agree that a lax in language rules may be a good thing, I don't believe that there should be an all out removal of them.
     
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  20. AyyJayy

    AyyJayy Never gonna give a rock Staff Member TTT Admin

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    I appreciate that the language rules are at times enforced a bit harshly and could do with some relaxing as has been discussed but I do doubt that the main reason for a lack of server donations and player base is solely the language rules. They have not changed much in years and have been just as strict even during times of an overflowing server. There are other reasons for the server inactivity chief of which is the crashes which we are trying to fix.

    I feel that attempting to use the servers inactivity as a reason to relax the basic principles is a little on the manipulative side. This and the idea that it ‘doesn’t hurt me therefore shouldn’t hurt you’ are highly selfish ideas to me. The server is meant to be fun for all people and the rules are designed to encourage this. It may not mean much to you calling someone gay or retarded, particularly as a joke to a friend. However to others that frequent the server and are touched more personally by these ideas it can bring up abuse from the past or negativity that frankly is not worth playing a game for. Is it really that crippling to you not being able to call someone a I am secretly gay and take it out on others in game?

    We do realise that the majority of people don’t intentionally mean to cause harm or be mingey but unintentional harm can often happen anyway. Arcadia is meant to be welcoming and non-threatening to new players and kids. They do often play here, it’s just a fact. If being unable to jokingly call each other ***s or n words is a problem then there’s always the many out of game forms of communication available. It would be nice to only punish those causing real harm in a perfect world but unfortunately we do need to enforce the rules evenly and fairly.
     
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